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What does it really take to grow as a leader—from the inside out? In this episode of the Wake Up Eager Workforce podcast, host Suzie Price invites you into a thought-provoking conversation that blends science, self-awareness, and leadership in powerful ways. Joined by Advanced Master Axiologist Ron Oltmanns, Suzie unpacks the principles of Robert Hartman’s Axiology—a framework that helps leaders make values-based decisions, elevate emotional intelligence, and lead with authenticity.
With wisdom drawn from the cockpit and the boardroom, Ron shares compelling stories and leadership insights that challenge us to stay engaged and fully present. Learn how to avoid becoming a “passenger in your own leadership journey” and discover how intentional reflection and purpose-driven leadership can create a more fulfilling, Wake Up Eager life.
Tune in for actionable strategies, fresh perspectives, and tools that will help you lead with heart, clarity, and courage.
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Episode Recap:
Suzie Price dives into the world of Axiology, guided by her guest Ron Oltmanns, co-founder of Leadskill and a longtime leadership coach and formal axiology practitioner. They discuss how Robert Hartman’s work helps leaders measure what truly matters and align with their deeper values.
Ron shares stories from his global coaching experience and draws parallels between flight safety and executive leadership, urging leaders to “not be a passenger in your own cockpit.” His insights emphasize the importance of showing up with full presence and being willing to be challenged.
Suzie and Ron explore topics like emotional intelligence, self-reflection, and the leadership value of prioritizing well-being. They also discuss how tools like the TriMetrix system and Workplace Motivators Assessment can bring clarity to how people think and behave in organizations.
Suzie introduces the mindfulness concepts of Segment Intending and Pre-Paving, which align beautifully with the theme of emotional awareness and intentional living.
The episode concludes with Douglas White’s Wellbeing 2.0 segment, where Douglas, CEO of Soul-Integrated Athletics, reminds us that our emotions are guiding signals, not distractions. His message reinforces the episode’s theme: How we feel matters—and it can elevate our performance when we pay attention.
In this episode:
[00:15:38] Suzie Price: “The Structure of Value is a book about how Hartman created axiology. It gives us the framework to measure where we’re balanced—or imbalanced—in both our personal and work life.”
[00:23:16] Ron Oltmanns: “I told a client to visit a cemetery and think about how they wanted to be remembered. That moment stuck with them. We coach others through the same questions we often need to ask ourselves.”
[00:35:32] Ron Oltmanns: “My goal is to help the real leaders—those with influence, not just titles—rise up in organizations and shape the culture and direction for the better.”
[00:43:33] Ron Oltmanns: “Emotion is a hugely powerful energy force. It’s information. Leaders can’t afford to fly blind—emotion is part of judgment and decision-making.”
[01:14:17] Douglas White: “There’s wisdom in the body. When you feel something in your gut, it’s worth interrogating. That’s part of your intuition guiding you.”
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